Basketball tournaments on the Sabbath

Marci Hamilton hamilton02 at aol.com
Sat Mar 3 16:06:01 PST 2012


Frankly, common sense or at least a full evaluation of all of the non religious interests seems lacking on the side of those claims accommodation.   

On Mar 3, 2012, at 6:41 PM, "Volokh, Eugene" <VOLOKH at law.ucla.edu> wrote:

>                 The trouble with “common sense” is that it often points in different directions.  Common sense tells us there is real value to following rules with no exceptions, so that one doesn’t have to later deal with questions of “you accommodated them, why don’t you accommodate” us (even when the future request for accommodation might be different from the current one), and also to having a schedule that is predictable, especially given that team members and others related to the team may often plan their schedules around the preannounced playing schedule.  Common sense also tells us that there is real value to being flexible, especially for what could be a once-in-a-lifetime event for the kids in whose interest the league is supposed to be operating. 
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> Likewise, respect for others sometimes includes changing your plans for others – and sometimes not insisting that others change their plans for you.  On balance, I’m pleased with TAPPS’ ultimate decision to accommodate the Jewish team, but I’m not sure that “common sense” and “respect” by themselves resolve this question.
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> The "common sense" is what is often lacking and with a sense of fairness and toleration.  Apparently for the leaders of the TAPP "common sense" means everyone is a Christian and all people have a Sunday sabbath.  The lawyers serve as educator to teach common sense and respect for other religions. 
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> My understanding is that Jewish and 7th day adventists consider sabbath as going from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. I do not know of any christian denominations that use sundown Saturday to sundown on Sunday as the Lord's day.Therefore a Saturday night game should be acceptable to all.
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> A little thought and common sense and we would need fewer lawyers.
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> On Mar 2, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Douglas Laycock wrote:
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> Some of you may have seen the story in the Times the other day about the Beren Hebrew Academy in Houston, whose basketball team has reached the state semi-finals of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools tournament. The semifinal game was scheduled for tonight; the Academy is Orthodox and observant, and could not play.  The other school was willing to reschedule, but the TAPPS Board voted 8-0 not to allow that. Most TAPPS members are church affiliated, and as a matter of policy, it never schedules games on Sunday.
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> Beren parents and students filed a lawsuit this morning in the Northern District of Texas, alleging unconstitutional religious discrimination, Texas RFRA, and breach of contract (based on a provision in the TAPPS bylaws). The complaint’s state action theory was that the game was scheduled to be played in a public school gym, which is surely not enough. The contract claim looked stronger, judging only by the complaint.
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> Richard Friedman at Michigan tells me that TAPPS caved as soon as the complaint was filed, and that the game will begin imminently and will be completed before sunset.  If your position is utterly untenable as a matter of public relations, it may not matter that the other side’s state action theory is very weak. But they had to file the lawsuit before common sense could prevail.
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