Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com

Tue Jul 22 11:52:37 PDT 2008

Ed writes about teaching about the Bible (as an optional elective) in public schools, "the result is going to be very ugly and very expensive."  

Yet leading cultural indicators show that since 1960 in America, violent crime has increased by 560 percent, illegitimate birth rates have increased more than 400 percent, teen suicide is up over 200 percent, the divorce rate has more than doubled, and the percentage of families headed by a single parent has more than tripled.

It seems to me, thanks to courts and judges that enforce state atheism and Ed's social experiment upon our families and children, by taking Bibles and prayer OUT of public schools, that...

"the result has already been very ugly and very expensive."  

In Jesus name,
Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt

Charles Haynes <CHaynes at freedomforum.org> wrote: I agree that much more guidance is needed (along the lines suggested in the consensus guidelines we issued in 2000 -- "The Bible and Public Schools: A First Amendment Guide" http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/about.aspx?id=6261.  What puzzles me, however, is why the State Board fails to mention the requirements for training as outlined in Section 21.549 of the Texas "Bible Bill."  Perhaps that is the next step... but there is no mention of it in the the board's decision this week.
If the training requirements mandated by the bill are followed, then many of the problems might be avoided... But with groups out there pushing unconstitutional Bible materials (such as those at issue in the recently-settled lawsuit in Odessa) it will be difficult to monitor what is going on across the state.  Charles Haynes

21.459.  BIBLE COURSE TRAINING.  (a)  The commissioner 

 shall develop and make available training materials and other 

 teacher training resources for a school district to use in 

 assisting teachers of elective Bible courses in developing:

 (1)  expertise in the appropriate Bible course 

 curriculum;

 (2)  understanding of applicable supreme court rulings 

 and current constitutional law regarding how Bible courses are to 

 be taught in public schools objectively as a part of a secular 

 program of education;

 (3)  understanding of how to present the Bible in an 

 objective, academic manner that neither promotes nor disparages 

 religion, nor is taught from a particular sectarian point of view;

 (4)  proficiency in instructional approaches that 

 present course material in a manner that respects all faiths and 

 religious traditions, while favoring none; and

 (5)  expertise in how to avoid devotional content or 

 proselytizing in the classroom.

 (b)  The commissioner shall develop materials and resources 

 under this section in consultation with appropriate faculty members 

 at institutions of higher education.

 (c)  The commissioner shall make the training materials and 

 other teacher training resources required under Subsection (a) 

 available to Bible course teachers through access to in-service 

 training.

 (d)  The commissioner shall use funds appropriated for the 

 purpose to administer this section.

Charles Haynes
The Freedom Forum First Amendment Center
555 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20001
202/292-6293 - office

703/683-1924 home office

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From: religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu on behalf of Ed Brayton
Sent: Tue 7/22/2008 1:56 AM
To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics'
Subject: RE: Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com

Having seen some of the material already at use in many Bible courses in
Texas, I can only say that the State board of education is being incredibly
irresponsible in not spelling out exactly what can and can't be taught in
such classes. Local school districts are inevitably going to teach this
course in constitutionally dubious ways without such guidance. Terri Leo
claims that providing such guidelines might lead to a lawsuit; not providing
them is going to lead to many such suits - and sooner rather than later.
They are doing the same thing the Louisiana legislature is doing with the
recent "academic freedom" legislation, inviting local schools into a "Dover
trap." The result is going to be very ugly and very expensive.

Ed Brayton

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[mailto:religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Gibbens, Daniel G.
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:20 PM
To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics'
Subject: RE: Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com

Justice Brennan's well-known statement, concurring in Schempp, 374 US at
300: "teaching about the Bible" "in classes in literature or history" is
permissible.  As literature, surely teaching about the Bible is different
from other literature items, distinctively involving the necessity of
treating these issues:

The fact that some people believe it (or some of it) is "the word of God" --
others believe that it is essential to understanding their religion --
others believe it is interesting literature but otherwise irrelevant -- and
thinking internationally, it is one several books presenting similar issues,
e.g., the Koran.

Arguably, if teachers are not so advised/trained, there are indeed critical
church-state issues.

Dan
Daniel G. Gibbens
Regents' Professor of Law Emeritus
University of Oklahoma

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[mailto:religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Joel Sogol
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:41 AM
To: Religionlaw
Subject: Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25742567/

Joel Sogol

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