Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com
jean.dudley at gmail.com
Wed Dec 3 07:02:49 PST 2008
One small clarification; the good professor mentions Roger Williams'
followers, whipped and jailed in Virginia. It's ironic to remember
that Roger Williams himself defended a woman against her husband for
"soul freedom", founded the first Baptist Church in America in
Providence, RI--and later left it because they had become too
dogmatic. He'd be spinning in his grave if he hadn't been consumed
by the apple tree root, now on display in the basement of the John
Brown house in Providence.
The good professor brings up some very good points. One I'd like to
add is a reminder of the infamous words of Jerry Falwell on Sept 13,
"I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the
feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to
make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American
Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in
their face and say you helped this happen."
As a self-identified Pagan, lesbian, feminist, who supports the ACLU
and is pro-choice, I take umbrage at his words.
Finally, one question: Just *which* 'almighty God' do they depend on
to keep them safe? Me, I'd nominate Celtic war and death goddess The
Morrigan. The war-dead are her offerings, and her worship is war.
We've got a head start with her, at least.
On Dec 3, 2008, at Wed, Dec 3, 5:43 AM, Paul Finkelman wrote:
> The really interesting aspect of this is the way in undermines
> religion for those who take it seriously. Does this mean that IF
> there is a terrorist attack in KY that God no longer cares about
> Kentucky? GW Bush was arguably the most religious president to
> ever sit in the office; lof of good it did us on Sept. 11.
> This reminds me of when I first moved to Oklahoma, in the summer of
> 1999; there was a serious drought in the state. The Governor did
> not ask the people to conserve water or stop washing their cars or
> watering their lawns every day. Instead, he asked everyone to
> reserve the following Sunday to "pray for rain" at their church. I
> suppose that exempted Jews, Seventh Adventists, Moslems, and some
> others from worrying about the problem
> Alas, it also gave of fabulous proof of the efficacy of prayer.
> They all prayed on Sunday and guess what --
> It did not rain for weeks or maybe even months.
> So much for the power of prayer when the government tried to
> commandeer religion for its own political ends. The Baptists -- of
> all faiths -- those who started with Roger WIlliams and were
> whipped and jailed in post-Revolutionary Virginia -- should have
> the good sense NOT to corrupt their faith by allowing politicians
> to score points.
> Paul Finkelman
> President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
> Albany Law School
> 80 New Scotland Avenue
> Albany, NY 12208
> 518-445-3386 (p)
> 518-445-3363 (f)
> pfink at albanylaw.edu
> --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Joel Sogol <jlsatty at wwisp.com> wrote:
> From: Joel Sogol <jlsatty at wwisp.com>
> Subject: Atheists want God out of security - Security- msnbc.com
> To: "Religionlaw" <religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 7:01 AM
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