Recent Threads / True Mental Health...

Sun Sep 9 18:52:35 PDT 2007

 Of course, as we all know, or should know, there is no such thing as "religion;' nobody practices anything called "religion" any more than anyone plays something called "sports" or eats something called "food." But, I get it, though I disagree. The name-of-the-game here, as on so many academic sites, is keep it vague, abstract, don't speak too plainly, glittering generalities many of which don't even glitter . JL.

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican

"Accursed is that peace of which revolt from God is the bond, and blessed are those contentions by which it is necessary to maintain the kingdom of Christ." -- John Calvin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Laycock <laycockd at umich.edu>
To: religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu
Sent: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: Recent Threads / True Mental Health...

The distinction is not between religion and theology.? It is between religion
with or without law, or between theology with or without law.? Religion as it
interacts with law is on topic; religion in itself is off topic.?

Quoting John Lofton jlof at aol.com:

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> If I may ask, please: How do you separate so easily
"theology" from 
> "religion & law"? Thank you.
JL
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> John Lofton,
Editor, TheAmericanView.com
> Recovering Republican
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"Accursed is that peace of which revolt from God is the bond, and 
> blessed are those contentions by which it is necessary to maintain 
> the kingdom of Christ." -- John Calvin.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Volokh, Eugene <VOLOKH at law.ucla.edu>
> To: Law &
Religion issues for Law Academics <religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu>
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Sent: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:09 am
> Subject: RE: Recent Threads / True
Mental Health...
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>? ? Folks:? I like to think that
the list is quite inclusive and
> pluralistic when it comes to
viewpoints about the law of government and
> religion.? But it is not a
place to discuss theology -- or psychology --
> as such.? There are
plenty of places online, I'm sure, that are devoted
> to precisely
those questions.? This just isn't one of them.
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>? ? Eugene
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[mailto:religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of John Lofton
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religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu
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Mental Health...
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>? ? Tolerance, Ed, tolerance; be
more diverse, more pluralistic,
> more inclusive. JL
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>? ? John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
>? ?
Recovering Republican
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>? ? "Accursed is that peace of
which revolt from God is the bond,
> and blessed are those contentions
by which it is necessary to maintain
> the kingdom of Christ." --
John Calvin.
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>? ? -----Original Message-----
>? ? From: Ed Brayton <stcynic at crystalauto.com>
>? ? To:
'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics'
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<religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu>
>? ? Sent: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:18
pm
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>? ? The first amendment applies to what the
government can do, not
> to what is acceptable on a private listserv.
This list is for discussion
> of religion and law, not for you to
harangue and proselytize. Surely
> that shouldn't need to be explained
on this list of all places.
>
>? ? Ed Brayton
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>? ? From:
religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu
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[mailto:religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu
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<mailto:religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu?>; ] On Behalf Of John
Lofton
>? ? Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:51 PM
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religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu
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Mental Health...
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>? ? Chill, Ed, it's called free
speech, the free exercise of
> religion, First Amendment, remember? Be
more tolerant, please...JL
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>? ? John Lofton,
Editor, TheAmericanView.com
>? ? Recovering Republican
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>? ? "Accursed is that peace of which revolt from God is the bond,
> and blessed are those contentions by which it is necessary to maintain
> the kingdom of Christ." -- John Calvin.
>
>
>? ? -----Original Message-----
>? ? From: Ed Brayton
<stcynic at crystalauto.com>
>? ? To: 'Law & Religion issues for
Law Academics'
> <religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu>
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Sat, 8 Sep 2007 6:20 pm
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>? ? Is this really the appropriate list
for such preaching? I know
> it damn well isn't the appropriate list to
be declaring some members of
> the list mentally ill.
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>? ? Ed Brayton
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>? ? From: religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu
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[mailto:religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu
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<mailto:religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu?>; ] On Behalf Of John
Lofton
>? ? Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:20 PM
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religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu
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>? ? Simple indeed -- if you have
faith. And all those secular
> shrinks have been? doing a great job,
right? In fact, unbelief IS a
> mental illness since it denies reality,
God's reality, the only reality
> there is. We all live in God's world
and are governed by His Law,
> whether you believe this or not. God's
Truth is not dependent upon the
> belief of a man to be true. You don't
have to believe in Hell to go
> there.
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John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
>? ? Recovering Republican
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>? ? -----Original Message-----
>? ? From: Susan Freiman
<susan.freiman.law.65 at aya.yale.edu>
>? ? To: Law & Religion
issues for Law Academics
> <religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu>
>? ? Sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:38 am
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Threads / True Mental Health...
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>? ? Wow.? So
simple.? And just think how many doctors have been
> struggling
>? ? for so long to help the mentally ill.
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>? ? Susan
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>? ? John Lofton wrote:
>? ? > True "mental
health" is believing God when He says in Psalm
> 111:10:
>? ? > "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good
> understanding
>? ? > have all they that do his commandments:
his praise endureth
> for ever."
>? ? > Your
gratuituous if-my-net-doesn't-catch-it-it-is-not-a-fish,
>? ? >
people-I-disagree-with-are-crazy attitude is one more example
> of
why
>? ? > (literally) I thank God I never went to college.
>? ? > John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
>? ? >
Recovering Republican
>? ? >
>? ? > "Accursed is
that peace of which revolt from God is the bond,
> and
>? ?
> blessed are those contentions by which it is necessary to
>
maintain the
>? ? > kingdom of Christ." -- John Calvin.
>? ? >
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>? ? > -----Original
Message-----
>? ? > From: FRAP428 at aol.com
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religionlaw at lists.ucla.edu
>? ? > Sent: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:45 am
>? ? > Subject: Re: Recent Threads
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I am certainly well aware that Christian Reconstructionists
> are a
>? ? > small minority; however, the line between some of their
> beliefs and
>? ? > those of some (please note both uses of
the word some) members
> of the
>? ? > Christian Right may
not be particularly bright (more of a
> continuum).
>? ? >
Sort of like the line between believers who are truly mentally
>
unwell
>? ? > and believers who are somewhat unbalanced and
believers who
> just have
>? ? > problems. I would posit
that the continuum regarding the
> mental health
>? ? > of
believers is similar to that of the population at large
> and/or
that
>? ? > of nonbelievers.
>? ? >
>? ? >
Frances Paterson, J.D., Ed.D.
>? ? > Professor
>? ? >
Department of Curriculum, Leadership, and Technology
>? ? > College
of Education
>? ? > Valdosta State University
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Valdosta, GA 31698-0090
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