FYI: An Interesting "See You at the Pole" Case
nebraskalawprof at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 31 13:28:34 PST 2005
A brief followup. There is a Christian rock & roll band called Audio Adrenaline that sings a popular song, called "A.K.A. Public School," that views public schools as a missions field. Here is an excerpt from the lyrics:
School is the place to be
when you're young and fancy free
'Cause you got what? Mmm half a day
to give your life away
In Uncle Sam's soul salvation program
government funded paid in full
A.K.A. your public school
They pay to put you in the classes
it's your chance to reach the masses
This ain't no trip to a foreign land
this ain't no trip to a foreign land
but you can take a stand
in your Public school
Interestingly, this song is on an album entitled "Don't Censor Me." We are getting exactly what we pay for in public education.
Cheers, Rick Duncan
Paul Finkelman <paul-finkelman at utulsa.edu> wrote:
The student who had the door slammed in her face told me and others in
our Temple; her family is the only Jewish family in the school (outside
of Tulsa) and her parents did not dare allow the community relations
council in our larger community to intervene for fear their daughter
might be harmed. In other schools there have been concerted efforts by a
few evangelical churches to convert Jewish kids, bothering them
(harassing them?). THe kids doing the converting get special training
from their church. No offence to anyone out there, but I think it is
blatantly Anti-Semitic when someone sets up a plan to convert Jewish
kids in school. Similarly, my daughter was told by a private pre-school
(called the Little Lighthouse) for disabled kids that while she could
volunteer there (she did for three years and won an award from the city
as volunteer of the year!) they would not hire her because of her
religion. Does that count as blatant anti-Semitism? Six years ago
someone interrupted our Yom Kippur services by standing in the back of
our Temple and shouting out that we should accept Jesus. We declined,
and the local prosecutor unfortunately declined to consider charging him
with any crime.
Scarberry, Mark wrote:
> I would like to know how solid Paul's information is on this occurrence.
> I don't live in Oklahoma (though my father's family left there during
> the Depression), but I'd think such blatant anti-Semitism would be very
> unusual there.
> I'd also be interested in Michael's reaction to the nomination to the
> Supreme Court of another Catholic by our evangelical Protestant
> President. If the Protestant empire is alive and well, why no Protestant
> outcry after the replacement of an evangelical Protestant nominee
> (Harriet Miers) with a Catholic nominee who, if confirmed, would give
> Catholics an absolute majority on the Court?
> Mark S. Scarberry
> Pepperdine University School of Law
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Newsom Michael [mailto:mnewsom at law.howard.edu]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:53 AM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: RE: FYI: An Interesting "See You at the Pole" Case
> Do we know, for a fact, that the "uninformed bigotry" is limited to the
> one student?
> From: Brad M Pardee [mailto:bpardee at unlnotes.unl.edu]
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 2:06 PM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: Re: FYI: An Interesting "See You at the Pole" Case
> Zealotry? How is a group of kids meeting together to pray qualify as
> zealotry? And how does one child's uninformed bigotry have anything to
> do with whether or not kids meet together to pray? Surely you're not
> suggesting that kids should hide their faith at school, as though it was
> something to be ashamed of.
> Paul Finkelman wrote on 10/31/2005 12:38:45 PM:
>> WHere I live (Oklahoma) some teachers in some public schools take
>> attendance at the "See you at the Polls" meetings and some give extra
>> credit for those who attend. Students who do not attend are often
>> shunned by others. In one school a young man was holding the door for
>> students to enter the school but then closed it in the face of a girl,
>> saying, "I do not hold the door for Jews." This is not a school
>> sanctioned act -- rather it is the act of a student, but it does
>> illustrate the social climate created by bringing religious zealotry to
>> the school.
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