Further from the list custodian

[Volokh, Eugene]

	I am reluctant to allow certain viewpoints on the list and
forbid other viewpoints based on how many people were lynched or
murdered in this country owing to those viewpoints.  (Incidentally,
there have fortunately been relatively few Jews -- not none, but
relatively few -- lynched or murdered in this country because they were
Jewish.)

	Eugene


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From: religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu
[mailto:religionlaw-bounces at lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Finkelman
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:35 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: Zionist-Occupied Government


Mark, the difference might be that "Protestant Empire" is pretty vague
and has never been used as a code word for persecution.  I can't recall
any instances where Protestants have been lynched or murdered in this
country in "anti-Protestant crusades" (at least since the Puritans
stopped hanging Quakers in the 1670s)   The persecutin of  Baptists in
Virginia in the 1780s did not lead to killings.  Even in Europe, it has
been at least a 300 years since Protestants were attacked and murdered
for their faith.  Darby's language is a code wordor hatred and bigotry
and is a form of hate speech.  Under our First Amendment Darby has a
constitutional right to be a bigot and a hate monger; he is free to
dress up in a sheet or wear arm bands or both, but that does not mean we
should provide a forum for his hatred and bigotry.  This is Eugene's
list, and he is free to tolerate Darby's hate-mongering if he wishes,
but I do think there is a difference between Darby language and the
examples you offer.

Paul Finkelman

Mark Graber wrote:

I confess to thinking "zionist-occupied government" no more out of
bounds than "Protestant empire" or claims that "America is a Christian
nation."  I confess to think the later two more accurate, but do not
think the first the sort of hate speech that ought to ba banned from the
list.

Mark A. Graber, Zionist, presently out of power.

  
RJLipkin at aol.com 12/13/05 9:38 AM >>>
        
Paul's query again  raises the question of the List's purposes.  My own
view 
is that  phrases like "Zionist-Occupied Government" and, in Paul's
words, the  
speaker's "anti-Semitic self-promotion" do not belong on this List. I  
recognize and admire Eugene's typical reluctance to censor emails 
posted to the 
List, but I do not see how such expressions have anything to do  with a
scholarly 
exploration of religion and government.
 
        That said, perhaps  censoring the speech gives the speaker a 
credibility he  certainly lacks.
 
Bobby

Robert Justin Lipkin
Professor of Law
Widener  University School of Law
Delaware

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