Jefferson Quotation
David E. Guinn
davideguinn at hotmail.com
Tue Sep 21 15:21:17 PDT 2004
True at the time, but Jefferson clearly altered his thinking from the time he attempted to enact his bills on religion in Virginia to the time of his presidency where he refused to order days of thanksgiving and wrote his famous letter to the Baptists.
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From: David W. New
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Cc: RJLipkin at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: Jefferson Quotation
In 1779, Thomas Jefferson personally wrote a Sabbath law for Virginia. See The Paper of Thomas Jefferson, Vol. 2., pg. 555.published by Princeton University Press. See "A Bill for Punishing Disturbers of Religious Worship and Sabbath Breakers." Madison was able to get Jefferson's Sabbath Law passed on November 26, 1786. Six months later Madison was in Philadelphia attending the constitutional convention. Apparently, Jefferson believed that religion should influence government law and policy. David W. New, Attorney at Law.
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From: RJLipkin at aol.com
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Jefferson Quotation
In a message dated 9/21/2004 9:31:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, mstern at ajcongress.org writes:
But what could Jefferson have meant by denying he sought a government
without religion? How would he have allowed religion to manifest itself in
government?
Wouldn't this depend upon what Dr. William Linn meant by "a government without religion"? Speculating on the meaning of this locution, it seems the following possibilities exist: (1) Jefferson sought a government where law was not derived from religious morality, but rather through the use of commonly accepted ideas (including religious ones) subjected to (and revised by) the critical scruitiny or reason. (2) Jefferson was a decided atheist and wished to divest government of anything smacking of religious concepts or values. (3) Jefferson sought to exclude particular religions, or the majority religion, from influencing government decisions. (4) Jefferson sought to exclude religious people from government, and (5) Jefferson believed in a sharp distinction between religious morality and secular morality.
From my incomplete study of Jefferson, only (1) strikes me as potentially true. What are some other possibilities?
Bobby
Robert Justin Lipkin
Professor of Law
Widener University School of Law
Delaware
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