[Oradlist] Pantomographic unit

Tue Sep 23 12:23:16 PDT 2008

Allan:
Lisa summarize my frustration with ur comments, I guess as Lisa mentioned am also guilty of consulting and lecturing  to the community about technology.
>From time to time I have been consulting with Instrumentarium and I agree with you about disclaimer, however, today I do not have any relationship with Instrumentarium
nor I do not receive any monetary payment for it.  Please apply the same rules to your comments,

FRANCISCO

-----Original Message-----
From: Koenig, Lisa <lisa.koenig at marquette.edu>
To: 'Oral Radiology Discussion Group' <oradlist at lists.ucla.edu>
Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Oradlist] Pantomographic unit

Allan,  I guess I am included in the "others" who you believe to be "cosy" with 
nstrumentarium.  Instrumentarium is located in Milwaukee and I will be 
emonstrating the Scanora 3D machine at the ADA meeting in October.  Other than 
hat I have no financial interest in the company.  I believe that you will also 
e part of the presentations at the ADA in regards to the DICOM format of the 
mages produced by CBCT machines in general.  I do not believe this connection 
recludes me from expressing an opinion on the quality of the images from the 
P200D in comparison to other machines that I have used.  Time did, however, 
reclude me from writing a lengthy explanation.  I agree with Dr. Briner that 
he purpose of this discussion group is to share our opinions and help our 
olleagues when we can.  And, I truly believe that comments on the OradL
ist from 
umble academicians such as me are made in good faith and not because of some 
onetary incentive.  Obviously we are professional people and any comments made 
n any website have to be carefully evaluated.  I think we can allow the 
ndividual to do that for themselves though.    Lisa
Lisa J. Koenig BChD, DDS, MS
rogram Director, Oral Medicine and Oral Radiology
arquette University School of Dentistry, Rm: 370
O Box 1881
ilwaukee, WI 53201-1881
el: (414) 288-5675
ax: (414) 288-6081
----Original Message-----
rom: oradlist-bounces at lists.ucla.edu [mailto:oradlist-bounces at lists.ucla.edu] 
n Behalf Of Allan G Farman
ent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:32 AM
o: Oral Radiology Discussion Group
ubject: Re: [Oradlist] Pantomographic unit
Andres... I was not referring to you but to others who responded who I
now personally and happen to be able to associate with more cosy
elations to the vendor concerned. I also have no problem with
nstrumentarium or their products which are excellent... but then I too
ave consulted for Instrumentarium in the past.  It was the use of the
RADLIST blog by a number of individuals in succession to highlight
erely one vendor's product without any reflection to other products and
ithout the caveat that you now supply that I found questionable. I
ould like the individuals supporting a product to indicate any
onflicts of interest in the same manner they would be expected to do
rior to giving a continuing education lecture at a congress... and to
ore precisely specify the rationales for 
their endorsements. Best
ishes, Allan
Allan G. Farman, BDS, PhD, MBA, DSc, Diplomate ABOMR
Prof. Radiology & Imaging Science
niv. Louisville School of Dentistry: SUHD
01 South Preston Street,
ouisville, Kentucky 40292, USA
Tel: +1(502) 852.1241
ax: +1(502)852.1626

>> "Andrés Briner" <andresbriner at gmail.com> 09/22/2008 08:26 PM >>>
ear Professor Farman
t is  important to me to state clearly that I have absolutely no
elation
n any possible way with Instrumentarium except that I work in 2
rivate clinics dedicated to DMFR and 2 hospitals, using  in total 3 OP
00
nd 2 OP 200 Digital units from Instrumentarium.   The only I said is
bout
he image quality of those equipments, and I agree with you, that there
re
thers factors that have to be considered in the moment to choose a
articular brand, but sincerely I don't fill comfortable with your
omment
bout at least 3 of the respondents have some relation with the
ompany,
ecause in my case, this is not true.      I have not signed my email
s an
xpert, it is an humble and honest opinion coming from a colleague from

ar country.  I think we will help in a better way our colleague Dr.
ampa
anguluy giving him choices and arguments to make the best possible
hoice,
f not, what for is this discussion group?.
Sincerely
Dr. Andres Briner
MAX radiological centres
antiago
hile

n Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Allan G Farman
agfarm01 at louisville.edu>wrote:
> I have read with great concern the communications related to your
eemingly
 simple request. To20date you have had a single recommendation with a
ingle
 example image provided - and at least three of the respondents to my
 knowledge have provided consulting services or even in one case has
ven
 been tantamount to a salesman for the unit concerned. This is not a
 criticism of the Instrumentarium Imaging panoramic system, which I
ave also
 had excellent experience in using; it is rather a criticism of the
se of
 this blog to provide apparently "expert" opinion with no need to
eference a
 scientific study or provide actual comparisons of relevant clinical
 information to support the recommendations made.

 When making a purchasing decision I would advise anyone to be
xtremely
 careful of the information received from a "blog.' There are actually
any
 excellent panoramic systems on the market at this time ad the choice
s
 quite complex dependent on the type of clinic, type of patient, type
f
 procedure, local support provided by a given vendor, budget, and
esired
 recording medium plus details of interoperability of digital systems
ith
 the practice management system of the buyer. I obviously cannot talk
bout
 systems that I have not used, but in addition to Instrumentarium, I
ave
 also had excellent experience with Kodak Dental Imaging, Planmeca,
nd
 Sirona systems at the medium to upper end of the market and have
lso
 produced excellent images even with an inexpensive Panoramic
orporation PC
 1000 when equipped with an AJAT digital sensor capable of permitting
 after-the-fact adjustment20of the image layer. There
are undoubtedly
everal
 solutions and the one that is best will d!
  epemd on a multitude of inputs concerning the clinical needs
ircumstances
 involved.

 AGF

 Allan G. Farman, BDS, PhD, MBA, DSc, Diplomate ABOMR

 Prof. Radiology & Imaging Science
 Univ. Louisville School of Dentistry: SUHD
 501 South Preston Street,
 Louisville, Kentucky 40292, USA

 Tel: +1(502) 852.1241
 Fax: +1(502)852.1626

 >>> "Rumpa Ganguly" <gangulyrumpa at gmail.com> 09/21/2008 03:16 PM >>>
 Hi all,

 I am a third year resident in Oral & maxillofacial radiology at
Iowa. We
 need to purchase a pantomographic unit (digital) for one of our
 clinics in our school. I am reviewing all the possibilities that are
 available. Any suggestions on the available units and your experience
ith
 them would be helpful.

 Thanks,

 Rumpa Ganguly
 Chief Resident
 Oral and maxillofacial radiology
 College of dentistry, University of Iowa

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