[Oradlist] Pantomographic unit

Tue Sep 23 09:33:06 PDT 2008

Allan,  I guess I am included in the "others" who you believe to be "cosy" with Instrumentarium.  Instrumentarium is located in Milwaukee and I will be demonstrating the Scanora 3D machine at the ADA meeting in October.  Other than that I have no financial interest in the company.  I believe that you will also be part of the presentations at the ADA in regards to the DICOM format of the images produced by CBCT machines in general.  I do not believe this connection precludes me from expressing an opinion on the quality of the images from the OP200D in comparison to other machines that I have used.  Time did, however, preclude me from writing a lengthy explanation.  I agree with Dr. Briner that the purpose of this discussion group is to share our opinions and help our colleagues when we can.  And, I truly believe that comments on the OradList from humble academicians such as me are made in good faith and not because of some monetary incentive.  Obviously we are professional people and any comments made on any website have to be carefully evaluated.  I think we can allow the individual to do that for themselves though.    Lisa

Lisa J. Koenig BChD, DDS, MS
Program Director, Oral Medicine and Oral Radiology
Marquette University School of Dentistry, Rm: 370
PO Box 1881
Milwaukee, WI 53201-1881
Tel: (414) 288-5675
Fax: (414) 288-6081
-----Original Message-----
From: oradlist-bounces at lists.ucla.edu [mailto:oradlist-bounces at lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of Allan G Farman
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:32 AM
To: Oral Radiology Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [Oradlist] Pantomographic unit

Andres... I was not referring to you but to others who responded who I
know personally and happen to be able to associate with more cosy
relations to the vendor concerned. I also have no problem with
Instrumentarium or their products which are excellent... but then I too
have consulted for Instrumentarium in the past.  It was the use of the
ORADLIST blog by a number of individuals in succession to highlight
merely one vendor's product without any reflection to other products and
without the caveat that you now supply that I found questionable. I
would like the individuals supporting a product to indicate any
conflicts of interest in the same manner they would be expected to do
prior to giving a continuing education lecture at a congress... and to
more precisely specify the rationales for their endorsements. Best
wishes, Allan

Allan G. Farman, BDS, PhD, MBA, DSc, Diplomate ABOMR

Prof. Radiology & Imaging Science
Univ. Louisville School of Dentistry: SUHD
501 South Preston Street,
Louisville, Kentucky 40292, USA

Tel: +1(502) 852.1241
Fax: +1(502)852.1626

>>> "Andrés Briner" <andresbriner at gmail.com> 09/22/2008 08:26 PM >>>
Dear Professor Farman
It is  important to me to state clearly that I have absolutely no
relation
in any possible way with Instrumentarium except that I work in 2
private clinics dedicated to DMFR and 2 hospitals, using  in total 3 OP
100
and 2 OP 200 Digital units from Instrumentarium.   The only I said is
about
the image quality of those equipments, and I agree with you, that there
are
others factors that have to be considered in the moment to choose a
particular brand, but sincerely I don't fill comfortable with your
comment
about at least 3 of the respondents have some relation with the
company,
because in my case, this is not true.      I have not signed my email
as an
expert, it is an humble and honest opinion coming from a colleague from
a
far country.  I think we will help in a better way our colleague Dr.
Rampa
Ganguluy giving him choices and arguments to make the best possible
choice,
If not, what for is this discussion group?.

Sincerely

Dr. Andres Briner
IMAX radiological centres
Santiago
Chile

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Allan G Farman
<agfarm01 at louisville.edu>wrote:

> I have read with great concern the communications related to your
seemingly
> simple request. To date you have had a single recommendation with a
single
> example image provided - and at least three of the respondents to my
> knowledge have provided consulting services or even in one case has
even
> been tantamount to a salesman for the unit concerned. This is not a
> criticism of the Instrumentarium Imaging panoramic system, which I
have also
> had excellent experience in using; it is rather a criticism of the
use of
> this blog to provide apparently "expert" opinion with no need to
reference a
> scientific study or provide actual comparisons of relevant clinical
> information to support the recommendations made.
>
> When making a purchasing decision I would advise anyone to be
extremely
> careful of the information received from a "blog.' There are actually
many
> excellent panoramic systems on the market at this time ad the choice
is
> quite complex dependent on the type of clinic, type of patient, type
of
> procedure, local support provided by a given vendor, budget, and
desired
> recording medium plus details of interoperability of digital systems
with
> the practice management system of the buyer. I obviously cannot talk
about
> systems that I have not used, but in addition to Instrumentarium, I
have
> also had excellent experience with Kodak Dental Imaging, Planmeca,
and
> Sirona systems at the medium to upper end of the market and have
also
> produced excellent images even with an inexpensive Panoramic
Corporation PC
> 1000 when equipped with an AJAT digital sensor capable of permitting
> after-the-fact adjustment of the image layer. There
 are undoubtedly
several
> solutions and the one that is best will d!
>  epemd on a multitude of inputs concerning the clinical needs
circumstances
> involved.
>
> AGF
>
> Allan G. Farman, BDS, PhD, MBA, DSc, Diplomate ABOMR
>
> Prof. Radiology & Imaging Science
> Univ. Louisville School of Dentistry: SUHD
> 501 South Preston Street,
> Louisville, Kentucky 40292, USA
>
> Tel: +1(502) 852.1241
> Fax: +1(502)852.1626
>
>
> >>> "Rumpa Ganguly" <gangulyrumpa at gmail.com> 09/21/2008 03:16 PM >>>
> Hi all,
>
> I am a third year resident in Oral & maxillofacial radiology at
UIowa. We
> need to purchase a pantomographic unit (digital) for one of our
> clinics in our school. I am reviewing all the possibilities that are
> available. Any suggestions on the available units and your experience
with
> them would be helpful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rumpa Ganguly
> Chief Resident
> Oral and maxillofacial radiology
> College of dentistry, University of Iowa
>
>
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