paling around with terrorists; etc. two constitutions
VOLOKH at law.ucla.edu
Mon Oct 13 07:18:06 PDT 2008
How about this: If you opposed American policy, but then
publicly repented, you could still be a good guy, at least at your
funeral. Even if you were once a traitor (not a terrorist), public
repentance, especially 30+ years ago, makes a big difference.
On the other hand, if you were in a conspiracy to bomb places,
aimed at terrorizing the public, and you seem largely unrepentant,
you're not a good guy. Seems pretty logical to me.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Finkelman [mailto:pfink at albanylaw.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:01 PM
> To: isomin at gmu.edu; Volokh, Eugene
> Cc: CONLAWPROF at lists.ucla.edu
> Subject: Re: RE: paling around with terrorists; etc. two constitutions
> And that is what this is all about, I think. If you opposed
> American policy but personally apologized to McCain, then you
> are good guy; but if you did not you are a "terrorist."
> Whatever Ayers did nearly 40 years ago hardly makes him a
> terrorist today, except in the eyes of someone trapped in
> time who cannot get out of the place he is in. IN the same
> way, McCain has made Obama "the enemy" --he will not look him
> in the eye; refers to him as "that one."
> As for what Ifshin did, at the time his acts were considered
> far worse than people like the Weathermen; Ifshin was branded
> a traitor for his actions; McCain could forgive him only
> because he recanted.
> So, McCain used to hang out with a former "traitor" at least
> in the eyes of McCain at the time; and Obama hangs out with a
> former "terrorist."
> Paul Finkelman
> President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
> and Public Policy
> Albany Law School
> 80 New Scotland Avenue
> Albany, New York 12208-3494
> pfink at albanylaw.edu
> >>> Ilya Somin <isomin at gmu.edu> 10/12/08 7:03 PM >>>
> This 1988 column by Bill Buckley discusses how Ifshin changed
> his mind over time, and repented of his conduct in 1970:
> And here are some statements by McCain himself about how
> Ifshin apologized to McCain himself for his earlier conduct:
> Essentially, Ifshin became a mainstream liberal Democrat with
> a hawkish streak on defense. Even when he was a far left
> student radical, he didn't resort to violence or terrorism.
> For this and the reasons indicated by Eugene, I don't think
> Ifshin is comparable to Ayers. Maybe McCain was wrong to
> forgive him for what he did in Hanoi. People can reasonably
> disagree over that. But it's not the same kind of issue as
> association with an unrepentant former terrorist.
> Ilya Somin
> Assistant Professor of Law
> George Mason University School of Law
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> SSRN Page: http://ssrn.com/author=333339
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