Licensing and exam requirements for tour guides

Fri Jul 4 16:45:45 PDT 2008

Surely the Park Service can test its guides, make its guides go to seminars and lectures, and remove guides for bias or inaccurate information.  I assume neither Eugene or Sandy is arguing that government employee has a First Amendment right to knowingly give out wrong or inaccurate information within the scope of his/her job.  

Assuming privatization, the best guides would set standards and perhaps have their own AGA (American Guide Association) standards, perhaps with a national Guide Exam, and even a GSAT to get into guide school.

Paul Finkelman
President William McKinley Distinguished Professor of Law
     and Public Policy
Albany Law School
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>>> "Sanford Levinson" <SLevinson at law.utexas.edu> 07/04/08 5:54 PM >>>
One reason one hires a tour guide is to get (reasonably) objective information about fairly abstruse details of the site one is seeing.  Guides are presuably free to interpose some of their own editorial comments.  It would be clearly unconstitutional for a guide to be unable to make acerbic comments about Jefferson's owning slaves or John Hancock's being a smuggler.  But I would want the guide to know the details of what happened in Philadelphia, to know, e.g., that whatever July 4 is, it is not "independence day" inasmuch as independence was formally declared on the 2nd.  The Declaration is like the Supreme Court's opinion in Quirin, issued after the all important decision to allow FDR carte blanche with the German sabateurs.  And, for that matter, I'd be dismayed if tour guides were unable to answer such likely questions as "how many of the signers owned slaves," etc.

I take it that the National Park Service can require that its employees actually know relevant things bout their site.  If they decide to privatize, I assume they can require that the people they make contracs with actually know things.  But perhaps they prefer a freer market (i.e., no contracts), but nonetheless want to make sure that people who profess to know things actually do.  I still can't see why that necessarily rises to the level of a First Amendment transgression.  (Though, frankly, I won't weep if the IJ wins the case, since I am closer to Eugene's First Amendment absolutism than to those who would give the state a wide berth to regulate speech.)

sandy

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From: conlawprof-bounces at lists.ucla.edu on behalf of Volokh, Eugene
Sent: Fri 7/4/2008 4:15 PM
To: conlawprof at lists.ucla.edu
Subject: RE: Licensing and exam requirements for tour guides

Hmm -- I thought this was the difference between the government licensing the noncommunicative component of an activity (physically getting someone from point A to point B) as oppose to the communicative component of an opinion (talking to people about history).  Wouldn't that be the difference between lack of First Amendment protection (especially as to taxi drivers), and presence of First Amendment protection (and in fact presumptive invalidation as a prior restraint)?

Eugene

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	From: Sanford Levinson [mailto:SLevinson at law.utexas.edu] 
	Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 1:11 PM
	To: Malla Pollack; Volokh, Eugene; conlawprof at lists.ucla.edu
	Subject: RE: Licensing and exam requirements for tour guides

	What's the difference between requiring that taxi drivers actually have some semblance of what in London is called "the knowledge" of where things are and how to get to them and requiring that persons who are going to take my money to guide me around Philadelphia actually possess relevant knowledge about what they're going to show me.  

	I can appreciate the impulse behind the suit.  We were in Athens with a friend of ours who teaches Greek philosophy, and he was accosted when he started lecturing to the group we were with about the Acropolis.  We were told in no uncertain terms that that was reserved for licensed tour guides.  That being said, our experience with licensed guides in Greece has been very good; they do in fact know their stuff, and I benefitted from it.  

	And, unlike licensed barbers, etc., where one might depend on word of mouth to take care of incompetent barbers (and I'm sympathetic to IJ libertarian critiques of stringent licensing requirements), one can't depend on these sort of informal controls with tour guides, since their customers are all tourists who have no way of asking their friends about reliable tour guides.  

	sandy

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	From: conlawprof-bounces at lists.ucla.edu on behalf of Malla Pollack
	Sent: Fri 7/4/2008 11:02 AM
	To: Volokh, Eugene; conlawprof at lists.ucla.edu
	Subject: Re: Licensing and exam requirements for tour guides

	But presumably you have no problem with requiring licensing (based on proof of competence) for history teachers?  This seems to me to be a statute preventing misleading or inaccurate commercial advertising -- by offering a tour you are implicitly claiming enough historical knowledge about Phili to provide a useful tour. 

	The oddity is the lack of licensing for book authors -- presumably because (unlike tours) you can judge a book before buying it and because books are usually treated delicately because of First Amendment concerns.  

	Malla Pollack
	Barkley School of Law

	----- Original Message ----
	From: "Volokh, Eugene" <VOLOKH at law.ucla.edu>
	To: conlawprof at lists.ucla.edu
	Sent: Friday, July 4, 2008 10:02:52 AM
	Subject: Licensing and exam requirements for tour guides

	    The Institute for Justice is challenging Philadelphia's new
	requirement (http://webapps.phila.gov/council/attachments/5141.pdf) that
	tour guides be licensed and take special history exams.  IJ seems to be
	exactly right on this: such a requirement violates the First Amendment,
	yes?  I take it that the government couldn't require that authors of
	history books or travel books be licensed and take exams; nor can it
	require the same as to theaters that present history/geography-related
	informational entertainment (except that it could set up content-neutral
	licensing requirements for non-content-related reasons, such as making
	sure that the theater is properly fire-safe, or for that matter that the
	tour guide operator has licensed drivers and adequate accident
	insurance).  How could the answer be any different for tours, which are
	likewise a form of history-/geography-related infotainment?  Or am I
	missing something here?

	    (There are, of course, similar requirements for professionals
	who provide individualized advice to clients on important matters, such
	as law, medicine, psychology, or finance, but here there is no
	individualized advice nor the high stakes involved in typical advising
	professions.)

	    Eugene
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