Where is the NRA on the Burress case?

Ilya Somin isomin at gmu.edu
Wed Dec 10 19:39:55 PST 2008


It is perhaps worth noting that the NRA website has in fact posted a short statement condemning Burress' arrest and linking to John Lott's column defending Burress, and more generally arguing that NFL players and other celebrities need to be able to carry guns:

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/InTheNews.aspx?ID=11879

Now, of course, they could make a bigger deal about it than they have; but it is not true that they have ignored the issue, or somehow sympathize with the prosecution because the defendant is black. The failure to emphasize the case more is almost certainly due to tactical considerations of the sort raised by Eugene rather than by Burress' race or other extraneous issues. The NRA would surely welcome a gun case involving a prominent black defendant where the PR advantages were on the defendant's side. They are a highly capable advocacy group (as even their opponents emphasize) and would not let such an opportunity slip by. 


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I guess the difference for me is the present salience of the gun rights 
issue. Frankly, drug rights is not on the radar. So if there are drug 
rights groups and if they issued statements about some drug issue, or not 
,would just not be part of the conversation.  They might, however, attempt 
to raise the issue into the discourse by making a statement in some case 
that hits the blogs and blurbs because it involves a celebrity.

Mike

Michael J. Zimmer
Professor of Law Emeritus
Seton Hall Law School

Professor of Law
Loyola University Chicago
25 East Pearson Street
Chicago, IL 60611
312.915.7919



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    Again, say some movie star does  something very dangerous while on 
drugs, and is then prosecuted for illegal drug  possession.  Would it be 
"surprising" if drug legalization groups decide  not to comment on the 
matter, prefering instead to comment on cases where the  drug users seem 
less dangerous and more sympathetic?  If the movie star  were black, would 
we infer, as Prof. Zimmer was suggesting, that the drug  legalization 
groups were silent because of the star's race -- or because the  star is 
not a sympathetic poster child for their cause?
    Eugene


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If I am right, the NRA does  support repeal of legislation like the New 
York gun laws, like the one at  stake in Burress' case, and their 
replacement with laws that permit pretty  broad gun possession.  The 
Burress case is, for me at least, the first  big press gun possession 
issue since Heller. The absence of comment by  the NRA and libertarian gun 
rights groups just seems surprising.  So,  yes, I expect issue oriented 
groups to make statements when that issue is  front page news.   

Maybe we  can expect that "60 Minutes" to do one of those snarky 
trackdowns of some gun  rights big wig, hoping to get the deadly, "No 
comment."  :) 

Michael J. Zimmer
Professor of Law  Emeritus
Seton Hall Law School

Professor of Law
Loyola University  Chicago
25 East Pearson Street
Chicago, IL 60611
312.915.7919 



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    Do we expect statements from   strong-on-Fourth-Amendment groups 
whenever the police search someone  famous  (perhaps unconstitutionally, 
perhaps not) and find evidence that  the person is  really dangerous?  Do 
we expect statements from  strong-on-drug-legalization  groups whenever 
the police arrest someone  famous for drug possession, and he was  really 
using drugs  recklessly? 
  
    Certainly if we are foes of these groups, we'd  like to see them  get 
involved in a controversy that -- to the public --  is likely to  support 
our position and oppose the groups' position.  But  that has  to do with 
our preferences in the political debates, not our reasonable  expectations 
as to what a sensible nonracist group would actually   do. 
  
    Eugene 



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I really didn't have in  mind the  NRA or other libertarian gun rights 
groups taking on Burress'  case since he  has the resources to take on the 
case himself. What I had  in mind was some  sort of statement putting the 
situation into the  context of what the gun  rights groups think the 
proper scope of the  Second Amendment is.  Since  Michael Dorf makes a 
pretty nice  argumetn that Heller is limited to  guns in the home, I 
rather  expected some statement from proponents of the  right to say they 
agree  or not. 

Michael J. Zimmer 
Professor of Law Emeritus 
Seton Hall Law  School 

Professor of Law 
Loyola University Chicago 
25  East Pearson  Street 
Chicago, IL  60611 
312.915.7919 



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I agree with Eugene: 

There have been thousands of people  who have been arrested for  illegal 
carrying in NYC.  The NRA never  showed much interest in those  cases.  
You start litigating against  the most draconian laws and try to  find 
appealing plaintiffs.   Handgun bans like DC & Chi are the  obvious 
targets.   Burress is not an attractive client.  He has a  long reputation 
in  the NFL as a ?problem? child.  He shot himself  accidentally.   Some 
innocent person could also have been injured.    The fact  that the NRA 
has not jumped on the Burress bandwagon is thus  not  surprising. 
 However, those who racism everywhere will have their own   theories. 

Ray  Kessler 

Prof. of Criminal   Justice 

Sul Ross State  University 

Alpine, TX   

     

  

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    Oddly  enough, many gun rights advocates  likewise do a great job 
tracing many gun  control proposals to racist  origins, and point out how 
racial and other  minorities have used guns to  defend themselves against 
bigoted abuse  (especially when the police were  unwilling to defend 
them).  George  Washington Professor Bob  Cottrol, 
 http://www.nrafoundation.org/lawseminar/biographies/cottrol.asp, a 
trustee of  the NRA's Civil Rights Defense Fund, has done quite a job of 
this, see  http://www.guncite.com/journals/cd-recon.html.  So rather than 
speculating about the NRA's and libertarian gun   rights advocates' 
hypothetical racism, might it be better to consider  first  some 
alternatives? 

     

    In particular,  let's say you're  someone like Bob -- or Ray Diamond 
or Nick Johnson or  lots of other pretty  clearly nonracist supporters of 
gun rights.   If you're going to choose  whom to spend your scarce time 
and political  capital defending (or whom to  urge your group to spend its 
scarce time  and political capital defending),  would you choose someone 
who is  apparently an incompetent and therefore likely  pretty dangerous 
person?  Or would you prefer to focus on the  overwhelming majority  of 
gun owners and would-be gun owners who never  accidentally shoot 
themselves (or others)?  Hard for me to see how  Burress is a  "pretty 
good candidate for [gun rights advocates'] cause," since  he is  precisely 
the rare sort of gun owner whose actions support the   anti-gun-rights 
advocates' cause. 

  

    It seems  to me  the NRA and the libertarian gun rights advocates are 
in the same   position as are advocates in lots of other causes that have 
a public  safety  dimension -- fights for drug legalization, for medical 
marijuana  rights, for  protection for recovered alcoholics, and so on.  
If you  were such an  advocate, wouldn't you try to stay away from backing 
people  whose actions tend  to support the other side's position, and 
focus on  those people whose actions  tend to support yours?  If the 
police  busted someone for medical  marijuana possession, for instance, 
would you  be less likely to support him if  there was evidence that he 
had let his  stash fall in the hands of local  teenagers?  To be sure, 
John Lott,  a leading pro-gun-rights scholar has  expressed some sympathy 
for  Burress, and for football players more broadly, 
 http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/12/02/jlott_guncontrol/.   But it 
 seems to me perfectly sensible that many other gun advocates  prefer to 
focus  on more appealing figures. 

  

      Eugene 

    






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It may just be my lack of attention  but I have yet to see anything from 
 the NRA or the libertarian gun  rights advocates coming to the aid of 
Plaxico  Burress to defend his  possession of a revolver, even if he was 
inept enough to  shoot himself.   If I am right, why is that so?  Reva 
Siegel does a  great job  tracing the guns right movement to the 60's and 
the Republican  efforts  to develop wedge politics around guns, but also 
in response to the  civil  rights movement and the chaos of the period. 
 Is the failure to   come forth for Burress because he is black? 
 Otherwise he seems a  pretty  good candidate for their cause since 
professional athletes have  been targets  of armed robberies. 

Michael J.   Zimmer 
Professor of Law Emeritus    
Seton Hall Law  School 

Professor of Law 
Loyola University  Chicago 
25 East Pearson Street   
Chicago, IL  60611 
312.915.7919 
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