What About the No Test Oath Clause

Bob Sheridan bobsheridan at earthlink.net
Sat Nov 25 09:23:08 PST 2006


Right.  We seem to have been talking past each other.

What you wrote:  "Fourth, to the private workplace the US Constitution 
does not reach."

What I reasoned:   "But, the Constitution restrains government entry 
into the workplace, say w/o a warrant, and supports statutory 
restrictions such as civil rights laws which do enter the private 
workplace."

If I'm reading you right, now, you seem to be saying that the 
Constitution, text and interpretations such as the public/private 
distinction originating in the 19th c. "Civil Rights Cases," doesn't 
restrain private employers in the private workplace, nor protect the 
employees there (except 13th Amend.) and you don't count statute law as 
being the equivalent of constitutional law in this regard, despite 
whatever constitutional support it may enjoy.

Goddit.

Bob S.
sfls

Steven Jamar wrote:
>
> On Nov 24, 2006, at 11:53 PM, Bob Sheridan wrote:
>
>> I don't know, perhaps the right against unreasonable search and 
>> seizure.  Public accommodation in allegedly private workplaces?  
>> Lunch counters during the 'Sixties?  Ollie's BBQ and Heart of Atlanta 
>> on civil rights and the Commerce Clause on which they rely....
>
> Sorry, but I think it is the government which is prohibited from 
> unreasonable searches and seizures, not private employers (subject to 
> statutory limits or maybe some common law of privacy).    And all the 
> others are clearly statutory.
>
>>
>> I just hadn't thought the private workplace was a Constitution-free 
>> zone before, that's all, and hesitated to let pass uncritically such 
>> a broad sounding proposition.  Some folks apparently thought 
>> Guantanamo was a Constitution-free zone, to their possible surprise.
>
> Clearly government action at Guantanamo.
>>
>> Perhaps you're making a distinction between statutory doctrine under 
>> the Constitution, or supported by the Constitution, and a narrower 
>> view of Constitutional Law than I was thinking.
>
> Clearly we are using the term differently.
>
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>> Steven Jamar wrote:
>>>
>>>
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