Academic Says USSC misused research in exclusionary rule
decision
Frank Cross
crossf at mail.utexas.edu
Mon Jun 26 10:29:17 PDT 2006
It's not about agreeing with the legal conclusion, that's a total red
herring (to which the editorial contributed).
It's about selectively choosing facts in a way that misrepresents the
overall findings of the
author being cited.
At 12:17 PM 6/26/2006, Nelson Lund wrote:
>If the rule is that courts can cite sources for factual propositions only
>when the author of the cited source would agree with the court's legal
>conclusion, I doubt that any judge in history will be found to have
>consistently complied with the rule.
>
>I also doubt that there are any academics who have scrupulously followed
>such a citation rule.
>
>Nelson Lund
>
>
>Frank Cross wrote:
>
>>Well, Scalia was using the source as factual evidence for a decision.
>>He selectively used the factual evidence that supported his conclusion
>>(increased professionalization) but ignored the factual evidence that
>>undermined his conclusion (that it was the result of principles like the
>>exclusionary rule). This would seem to be a classic case of looking out
>>over the crowd and identifying only your friends.
>>It would be as if a precedent contained two factors, one which supported
>>an outcome and another which did not, and a justice mentioned only the
>>favored one.
>>
>>At 10:46 AM 6/26/2006, Nelson Lund wrote:
>>
>>>I don't see any evidence in Walker's op-ed to support the proposition
>>>that Scalia "twisted" Walker's argument or engaged in the "misuse of
>>>evidence." Apparently, Scalia cited Walker for a factual proposition
>>>that Walker does not disavow but rather reaffirms. Scalia apparently
>>>never claimed that Walker would agree with anything else that Scalia
>>>said, or with the outcome of the case. So who is "twisting" whose
>>>arguments, and "misusing evidence"?
>>>
>>>Nelson Lund
>>>George Mason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Frank Cross wrote:
>>>
>>>>But at least he was cited
>>>>http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-walker25jun25,0,2945743.story
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>>Frank Cross
>>McCombs School of Business
>>The University of Texas at Austin
>>1 University Station B6000
>>Austin, TX 78712-1178
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