the incredible shrinking constitution

Sun Jun 18 12:00:21 PDT 2006

The constitution has been shrinking for a while.  A 1935 treatise called 
empire/territorial acquisition and its consequences, the most important 
constitutional question at the turn of the century -- but until the Insular 
Cases were resurrected, the topic had dropped off the map of Amer. 
constitutional history.  Even our histories are often written within a 
narrative constructed by what we understand the constitution to be, that 
surely comes in large part from what we have been taught.

Mary Dudziak

At 07:16 AM 6/18/2006, michael curtis wrote:
>I have been watching for a few days now to see if the Court's decision not 
>to exclude evidence obtained after a police entry that violates the knock 
>and announce rule would produce any comment on the con law list.  It has 
>not.  From one perspective, this is really pretty odd.  The 4th Amendment, 
>like the rest of the Bill of Rights (much of which is devoted to the 
>rights of those accused of crimes) is a central part of the American plan 
>of liberty and of the Constitution.  The exclusionary rule which 4 members 
>of the Court seem ready to get rid of, is a central part of the current 
>system. Not a word.  The answer of course is obvious: the Canon of 
>Constitutional Law. The way we divided up courses structures the way we 
>think of "constitutional" questions.  The 4th Amendment is not part of the 
>con law canon.  It is therefore no where near the center of the 
>constitutional universe.  In fact it is in some other galaxy, and these 
>developments do not produce discussion on the "con law" list, though they 
>no doubt get mention on a criminal procedure list.  This is a striking 
>example of how tails wag dogs.  So far free speech still gets attention on 
>the con law list.  But since it has also been exiled to specialty courses, 
>I wonder if it will follow the 4th Amendment into the realm of those items 
>irrelevant to the Constitution as teachers of constitutional law teach and 
>discuss it.
>
>Michael Kent Curtis
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Noble" <jfnbl at earthlink.com>
>To: "Greg Magarian" <magarian at law.villanova.edu>; <CONLAWPROF at lists.ucla.edu>
>Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:56 AM
>Subject: Re: Political appointee fired for comment on gays
>
>
>>At 8:19 PM -0400 6/17/06, Greg Magarian wrote:
>>
>>>>But the
>>>reason the issue wouldn't have arisen is that no one would have known
>>
>>Let's assume everyone did know -- the Governor announced the appointment 
>>of Jones, adding that Smith was his first choice, and far and away the 
>>most qualified person for the appointment, but that he refused on 
>>principal to appoint anyone who expressed the view that homosexuality was 
>>deviant behavior. Assume it's captured on tape by all three networks. 
>>Think you have a 1A claim?
>>
>>Take the same approach to the librarian's announced refusal to acquire 
>>books that depict homosexuality as other than loathsome. Is that a 1A 
>>violation; or is he, as well as the librarian who "de-accessions" books 
>>that depict homosexuality as part of human nature, presenting a political 
>>choice -- fire me if you don't like the way I do my job; or tell me how 
>>to do my job, and I'll quit if I can't live with it.
>>
>>In both cases, it seems that the "reason the issue wouldn't have arisen," 
>>is that the courts have no way to justify an affirmative, as opposed to 
>>prohibitive injunction. The court might enjoin the banning of John 
>>Rechy's "City of Night," but it can't order the librarian to buy a copy.
>>
>>What is the constitutional difference between tossing a book and refusing 
>>to buy it? -- It's a banned book either way. And what is the difference 
>>between refusing to hire and firing people who express views that the 
>>governor disagrees with? It seems like it is due to more than the fact 
>>that the passed-over plaintiff doesn't know he has a claim.
>>
>>John Noble
>>
>>At 8:19 PM -0400 6/17/06, Greg Magarian wrote:
>>>I don't think we can conceptualize an aspect of an elected official's
>>>power as a "right of association."  The Governor as Governor has powers
>>>and prerogatives of office; he has no greater constitutional rights than
>>>any other citizen.  As John notes, those prerogatives include various
>>>kinds of authority to punish or reward constitutionally unprotected
>>>behavior, but protected speech is a different matter.  John is also
>>>right to emphasize that the Governor could have declined, based on
>>>Smith's antigay views, to appoint Smith to the position in the first
>>>place, and that wouldn't have raised a First Amendment issue.  But the
>>>reason the issue wouldn't have arisen is that no one would have known
>>>about the Governor's (in)action.  The same dynamic defines the
>>>difference between a library's decision to ban a book and a decision not
>>>to buy the book in the first place: we can't correct what we can't see.
>>>There may or may not be good reasons for such an act-omission
>>>distinction in constitutional law, but the distinction certainly has
>>>practical importance.
>>
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