The Left and patriotism
VOLOKH at law.ucla.edu
Fri Jan 27 14:47:15 PST 2006
What am I missing here? A Puerto Rican who wants to secede
(presumably because he sees Puerto Rico as culturally distinct enough
from the U.S. that it deserves self-government) may well be a patriotic
Puerto Rican; he's just not a patriotic American, and probably wouldn't
want to claim that he is. A Californian who wants to secede (because
it's been a whole 6 years since California sentiment about the
Presidency has roughly matched the majority of the nation's sentiment)
may well be a patriotic Californian; I just find it hard to see why he's
a patriotic American. (As to Barry Goldwater, might he have been . . .
joking? Wouldn't the "sawed off" be something of a giveaway there?)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: conlawprof-bounces at lists.ucla.edu
> [mailto:conlawprof-bounces at lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of John
> Bonine (U of O)
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:36 PM
> To: CONLAWPROF at lists.ucla.edu
> Subject: RE: The Left and patriotism
> > Many on the Left quite properly bristle when others
> suggest that
> > they're unpatriotic. . . . One can oppose aspects of our
> > Constitution
> and still be
> > patriotic.
> I had a hard time getting past your first and third
> sentences. Maybe it's just me.
> This isn't a question of whether the Left opposes part of the
> Constitution, is it? Or is that your point?
> Or did you mean to say simply that one can oppose some things
> and still be patriotic, but cannot oppose reducing any part
> of the territory and be patriotic?
> Assuming the latter, Barry Goldwater was not patriotic when
> he proposed that New York "be sawed off and allowed to drift
> out to sea"? A whole bunch of Westerners thought that he was
> intensely patriotic.
> And what about letting Puerto Rico go if it chooses?
> Patriotic, not, or don't know?
> Finally, what about encouraging some Americans to leave (you
> know, "America, love it or leave it!" from the 1960s)?
> Surely not patriotic at all, because to want some Americans
> to leave would surely be as bad as wanting, say, New York to leave.
> Now, about ADDING territory or Americans, I am still trying
> to figure out what the patriotic position is on that.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: conlawprof-bounces at lists.ucla.edu
> > [mailto:conlawprof-bounces at lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf Of
> Volokh, Eugene
> > Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:43 PM
> > To: conlawprof at lists.ucla.edu
> > Subject: The Left and patriotism
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