Miers's op-ed
Frank Cross
crossf at mail.utexas.edu
Thu Oct 6 11:05:00 PDT 2005
For the record, I know a leading philosopher of jurisprudence, and he
thinks Posner is vastly better than Dworkin.
At 09:01 AM 10/6/2005, Sean Wilson wrote:
>... well I would grant you this: legal culture does value encyclopedic
>minds. And I suppose by my assertion I have shown a bias of some sort. I
>do think that "breakthrough-thinking" is what defines philosophic genious
>(and I am surely not alone in that assertion). So I guess I should not
>have demeaned those who revere one kind of intellectualism over another.
>(Remember, I'm a lawyer; I know well the cultures of law school versus
>academica). Let me reform the proposition: Posner is simply not one of the
>greatest legal philosophers of the 20th century, though he may be one its
>most popular writers. I read the guy plenty. I get so irritated with how
>he goes about his method of "proof." His treatment of Dworkin is
>ridiculous. I simply don't think that serious scholars in philosophy of
>law regard him as anything other than an intelligent judge and a
>high-profile spokesperson for views birthed by others.
>
>Frank Cross <crossf at mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
>I don't think it's funny at all.
>I think that very few have a comprehensive understanding of other people's
>ideas. Certainly Dworkin doesn't. I'd say a comprehensive understanding
>of other people's ideas is about the best we can hope for. Really new
>creative ideas are pretty rare today and they may well be bad ideas. I
>think it makes much more sense to stand on the shoulders of the past
>
>
>At 08:34 AM 10/6/2005, Sean Wilson wrote:
>>... only to lawyers and law school professors (if that). He in no way
>>broke original ground on any philosophical position he advanced. His
>>works show nothing other than an ability to understand the ideas of other
>>great thinkers (an important trait, but not the issue). Pragmatism was
>>around long before Posner, although one must admit he is a capable
>>champion of it. To be fair, the sole scholar who made the greatest
>>intellectual contribution to the theory of law in the 20th century was
>>Ronald Dworkin. Posner's works lack serious philosophic rigor, as is
>>usually the case with pragmatic "philosophers," who tend as a matter of
>>doctrine to reject philosophy's method. Posner's works read like a
>>literary narrative involving history and op-ed mixed with economics. It's
>>a nice read, but it is not philosophically original or novel. It is so
>>funny that lawyers think that scholars who show comprehensive
>>understanding of other people's ideas are the! great thinkers.
>>
>>Scott Gerber <s-gerber at onu.edu> wrote:
>>To take Ilya's point to its logical limit, if we want to insist that only
>>the very best candidate be appointed to the Supreme Court, and there's
>>nothing wrong with so insisting, the Senate should refuse to confirm anyone
>>but Richard Posner, who William Brennan called one of the two geniuses he
>>had ever met (the other was William O. Douglas, but he's dead). Posner is
>>the most important American legal theorist since Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.
>>
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