Schiavo and Gilmore
srbagenstos at wulaw.wustl.edu
Mon Mar 21 10:48:54 PST 2005
Agreed, and though 4>1, 4<5.
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>>> Mary Dudziak <mdudziak at law.usc.edu> 3/21/2005 12:23:28 PM >>>
Just a note to agree w/ Ann on Gilmore and add a small point: If I
remember correctly, Bessie Gilmore did not argue that she herself was
harmed -- she only raised the harm to her son, which is why the Court
treated it as a 3rd party case. In the Schiavo case, the
title of the statue itself refers to the harm to the parents (it's for
the 'relief' of the parents), so they could both allege their own
and also the statute's exception to usual prudential limits on 3rd
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Ann Althouse wrote:
> Thanks for bringing up Gilmore. I wrote an article on the subject in
> 1991 called "Standing in Fluffy Slippers" (77 Va. L. Rev. 1177).
> the relevant passage from that article : "In the Gilmore case, the
> Court did not even discuss whether Bessie Gilmore had standing
> of the injury the state would inflict upon her if it killed her son;
> discussed only Gary Gilmore's own injury, which made him the sole
> decisionmaker as to whether to appeal his case, so long as he had
> enough competence to make a 'knowing and intelligent waiver.'"
> I believe most/all commentators think that the mother would meet the
> injury in fact requirement. Anyone on the list think not?
> So, I don't think Gilmore is an obstacle as to the Article III
> On Mar 21, 2005, at 11:47 AM, Andrew Koppelman wrote:
> > There hasn't been much discussion of the bill's conferral of
> > on the parents, but there is some authority that suggests that you
> > haven't suffered Article III injury when your child is killed.
> > judges (Burger, Powell, Stevens, and Rehnquist) expressed that
> > position in Gilmore v. Utah, 429 US 1012 (1976), where Bessie
> > sought to challenge the legality of her son Gary's upcoming
> > Only Blackmun was willing to say that the question of Bessie's
> > standing was "not insubstantial." (The per curiam opinion for the
> > Court did not expressly reach the issue.) It is odd to say that
> > Bessie's injury is not substantial, but that's the view that got
> > most votes in Gilmore.
> > This case of course addresses the core issue of constitutional
> > standing, not the prudential prong, so Congress can't change it.
> > In Gilmore's case, he was held to be comptent, so his mother
> > petition as next friend. No one alleges that Terry Schiavo is
> > competent, so perhaps her parents can sue in next friend capacity.
> > there unlimited power in Congress to confer next friend status?
> > there is, that would appear to suggest enormous discretion in
> > to get around Article III limitations by conferring next friend
> > on anyone on whom it wishes to confer third party standing.
> > How much of an obstacle is Gilmore to the Schiavos' claim?
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